Troyer VS. Justin@VPM

[Black Stallion]

Okay fellas, have at it, which is better.

Im looking to get three tunes:

87 Gas Milage
87 performance
91 performance

-Dennis

[Tory4]

Originally Posted by Black Stallion

Okay fellas, have at it, which is better.

Im looking to get three tunes:

87 Gas Milage
87 performance
91 performance

-Dennis

Hey Dennis,
I agree with the first two. But go ahead and get yourself a 93 performance tune. He can crank up the timing another 1-2 degrees that way. I would have thought you would have wanted a towing instead of gas mileage. There is a difference in the performance and towing. He retards it a little more at low rpms to give you a little more torq. At least thats what Justin told me.

[Tory4]

Originally Posted by Black Stallion

Okay fellas, have at it, which is better.

Im looking to get three tunes:

87 Gas Milage
87 performance
91 performance

-Dennis

Also I'm not 100% soure whos better. I've heard both sides.

[Black Stallion]

Originally Posted by Tory4

Hey Dennis,
I agree with the first two. But go ahead and get yourself a 93 performance tune. He can crank up the timing another 1-2 degrees that way. I would have thought you would have wanted a towing instead of gas mileage. There is a difference in the performance and towing. He retards it a little more at low rpms to give you a little more torq. At least thats what Justin told me.

I HAVE to have a gas milage tune, even if its just 1-2 mpg better. I do and am about to start doing more city driving.

I may do this:
87 milage
87 towing
93 performance

Originally Posted by Tory4

Also I'm not 100% soure whos better. I've heard both sides.

Yea...I just wanted to hear em. lol.

[Tory4]

Originally Posted by Black Stallion

I HAVE to have a gas milage tune, even if its just 1-2 mpg better. I do and am about to start doing more city driving.

I may do this:
87 milage
87 towing
93 performance



Yea...I just wanted to hear em. lol.

^ I think I'd go with that combo. Ya I agree with ya if your doing that kind of driving. I just don't do any of it (once in a blue moon when I go to the airport) so I have no reason to do it. Some people have said that justin is more interested in $$$ than his tuning quality. I kind of disagree with that because I spent a good hour with him on the phone talking about what kind of tuning options he can do on the dyno. He does know his stuff regardless of what people say.

[lenderman_k]

Would you need a tow tune with a manual?

[x_sgs_x]

Well true a tow tune helps an auto alot more.. Like what was said above the timing is changed to have more torque at low rpms

[Tory4]

Originally Posted by lenderman_k

Would you need a tow tune with a manual?

Only helps the timing. As for all the tunes pretty much all that changes in a manual is the timing (rev limiters and stuff but that's standard).

[Porky81]

I have the SCT Xcal3 from Justin at VMP. With the 87 gas mileage, 87 perf, and 93 perf. I have to say that I'm pretty happy with it so I guess I'm partial to VMP but I have heard Troyer is good as well so it's probably just really up to you.

[1clean46]

i've heard horror stories about troyer taking 6 months+ to generate tunes with very little contact in the meantime.

[Black Stallion]

Originally Posted by 1clean46

i've heard horror stories about troyer taking 6 months+ to generate tunes with very little contact in the meantime.

That kinda sounds like what sawblade said about justin.

[x_sgs_x]

Originally Posted by Black Stallion

That kinda sounds like what sawblade said about justin.

It all depends just make it clear that you want the tune within a set date and if its not delivered in that set date your taking your money elsewhere..

[Black Stallion]

Originally Posted by x_sgs_x

It all depends just make it clear that you want the tune within a set date and if its not delivered in that set date your taking your money elsewhere..

Good advise. What is a reasonable turn around time for these things.

[solar_eclipse2]

I'm not sure how things are now at Troyer but back when I first got my truck and found out about where to get stuff, I heard a lot of horror stories about Troyer not being reliable.

[CHADD]

Ive heard horror stories on both places. but this is all word of mouth. Never dealt with either one in person.

[x_sgs_x]

Originally Posted by Black Stallion

Good advise. What is a reasonable turn around time for these things.

Im not sure I suppose it depends on how busy they are.. i wouldn imagine Now being that busy of a time...

[Mr. Peepers]

Neither. Get a custom tune from a local shop that has a great reputation.

[CHADD]

Its best to be tuned on a dyno anyway.

[Tory4]

Hey dennis about the wait thing. Just call them if you dont get them within like 10 days and say your going to the track (It gives them a reason to move it) and want to give them a try. It takes them like 5 min. to make them.

[Black Stallion]

Originally Posted by Mr. Peepers

Neither. Get a custom tune from a local shop that has a great reputation.

Thats hard to find round here.

Originally Posted by CHADD

Its best to be tuned on a dyno anyway.

More expensive.

Originally Posted by Tory4

Hey dennis about the wait thing. Just call them if you dont get them within like 10 days and say your going to the track (It gives them a reason to move it) and want to give them a try. It takes them like 5 min. to make them.

Haha will do. Thanks man.